It is based on the fat, belt-free 404 Jeffery case, but Nosler likely just started with the 7mm RUM which is itself a modified Jeffery. Compared to the ballistics of the new Rem. As mentioned above, one of the nice things about the 7RM is factory ammo is plentiful and fairly inexpensive. The .28 Nosler of 2015 was their solution. Here are some specifications of interest to those reloading the 7mm WSM cartridge: bullet diameter .284", maximum COL 2.860", maximum case length 2.100". It made sense for me. In shorter barrels, performance declines dramatically. Now I am waffling between the 6.5x284 Norma and the 300 PRC. Mag., 270 Winchester, 30-06 Springfield, and 300 H&H Magnum looked all but washed up. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Buy Now. Genesis 1:1 NRA Benefactor Life, SAF, RMEF, Memberships "Want to stop drunk drivers from killing sober drivers? Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr . Moose by the dozens have fallen to the 7mm Rem. A 24" nosler should still outrun a 24" rem mag (all other things equal). 28 nosler is a great case, barrel burner, but if you're looking for say 3000fps w/ 195 at lower pressure, use H1000 or Retumbo, adg/gunwerks brass, and the brass will last you forever, take care the barrel and it may go 1000 rounds. Mag., the 264 Win. Id be set for all North American game plus African plains game right up to 1,800-pound eland. fire forming and case prep amounts to chamfer, add primer, powder and bullet to ADG 7 MAX brass and pull the trigger. Going super light though might make the 280 ai another good choice. Varme Hansker for Sykling, Lping og Kjring, Stor kapasitet skulderveskeKjp 2, -10%, 18-i-1 snfnuggformet multiverkty i rustfritt stl, Bilkropp plastnagler festing (150 stk)Kjp 2, -10%. The 180's will work with a 9 nit the bigger bullets will have a decided edge in the wind. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 7mm RemMag. I'm worried bout the need of a 26" barrel for the Nosler, and hoping to get away with a 24" since I'm trying to run an Ultra 7 with it. And the accuracy with both powders was great as well. If your just hunting without extended range sessions I'g use this over the 7rem mag. The 28 Nosler is also loaded to a slightly higher pressure than the 300 Win Mag (65,000psi vs 64,000psi). If you want 7mm magnum performance, youll have to change tires (barrels) now and then. These claims are valid if the short magnum cartridges are fired in 24 inch barrels, the same length as the barrels of most 7mm Rem. Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. Nosler brass also undergoes the rigorous quality control that premium Nosler bullets have experienced for over 60 years. Recoil with a brake should be not bad at all even with the light rifle. Minuteman. Looking at going with the 7mag or 28 nosler. Amazing bc too for the weight. Another vote for 280ai if building a light weight hunt rig all the horsepower needed close to 7rm but standard action with room for an extra round. Full Member. With 165gr bullets the 300 has a fair amount of recoil with a 150gr it feels more like a 30/06. Mag. My 28 will not blow the door of the 7 MAX which is why I did not rechamber a 28, I want more accurate load life and no chasing lands around for only a little gain on the very end of trajectory. JavaScript is disabled. I have both chambered up on the same rifle, the 28 is about cooked so spun up a 7 MAX and maybe in a month I'll get time to pull the trigger more on it, fire forming and case prep amounts to chamfer, add primer, powder and bullet to ADG 7 MAX brass and pull the trigger. 7mm SAUM Rechamber/Barrel Life. and a high B.C. SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. Hodgdon reloading data for the 7mm WSM shows that the 140 grain Nosler Partition spitzer bullet can be driven to a MV of 2979 fps in front of 58.0 grains of H4350 powder. Full Member. The best part is that the recoil is super easy compared to a 300. You want 98.2 grains water capacity behind a seated 175-grain bullet? Mine shoots factory 160 class ammo at 1/2 MOA (5 & 10 shot groups) in the mid 2900s with SD in the mid teens. &mm PRC. This just-released (October 26, 2022) cartridge has the potential to become the 7mm Remington Magnum of the 21st century. Great performance, easy to neck a case down and a simple bushing change gets you great dies. 28 nosler is a great choice for the heavies mine is throated for the 195 eols but im gonna try the 190 atips soon. But if you are only going to shoot the 160's you may be ok with SAAMI spec'd chamber. ADG 28 Nosler. 7RM!! SAUM can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. 7mm Rem. Or just step up to the 7 SAUM and run 180s if you want more weight. Given the same basic form and muzzle velocity (MV), a 180-grain, .284 bullet will fly flatter, drift less, and retain more energy downrange than a 180-grain .308 bullet . Just picked up a tikka for a donor build for a lightweight 6.5 PRC or 7mm SAUM. Assuming that would be as illogical as assuming the 30-06 Springfield, 308 Winchester, and 223 Remington are strictly military cartridges. Either way a shorter fat case will be better With a shorter barrel. Furthest down, around the primer pocket, the brass should be firm. Essentially, 7mm PRC rifles will be manufactured with match-grade chambers. The 7mm Precision Rifle Cartridge is a long-action centerfire rifle cartridge designed to shoot 180 grain bullets at 2,950 fps. Creedmoor Sports $ 119.95 . Trustpilot. Read Next: Small Calibers for Big Game. I tested the 7 STW, 7 RUM, 7 Rem mag, 7-300 win mag and even a 7 Lapua. Carefully spaced shots (dont overheat the barrel) always extend life, as does each shooters accuracy demands. Running 8twist Proof 168s run flat, 5.2mils the other morning at 912y. You are using an out of date browser. Almost through fire forming but ran some pressure ladders with fully formed brass with 180 Berger hybrids, H1000 looks like I'll be at a good max at 3000 fps and R26 3050 fps and I good life. The 280AI is a great cartridge, as is the plain old 280 Remington. Neither caught on, but American shooters were certainly beginning to recognize the potential for 7mm cartridges. Well, i was leaning towards the 28 Nosler, but now I'm seriously considering the 7mm RM. There are now at least 14 7mm cartridges being manufactured in the U.S. with several wildcats waiting in the wings. and instead recommends the 30-28 nosler, 300 norma and improved, and 300 PRC stating that each has 75% less throat erosion than the 28 nosler and with essentially identical ballistics. Newer calibers tend to fade quickly these days. With a 160 grain bullet the Winchester figures are 2990 fps and 3176 ft. lbs. $120.95. Som en stor omfattende nettbutikk er hjemsol forpliktet til hjelpe deg med skape et stt liv med vre utskte produkter. The 28N is very similar to the 7 STW. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . Cartridge: 7 RUM. Im sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. . After all the smoke and toasted barrels cleared, I came to my own conclusion that the 7-300 win mag was the winner when all aspects are considered. 28 Nosler brass can be a pain to find, same goes for the ammo. More than 1,900 ft-lbs of energy at 700 yards. And with RL33 hes getting 3140 fps (pretty easily), using Retumbo (for it's temp stability) drops it about 75 fps. bullet wins the wind deflection category. I have one on a 26" proof barrel. Considering the production by Hornady of 6.5 GAP 4S cases, the next logical step appeared to be ammunition coming off the line in Grand Island, Nebraska. Been looking for a while. I just did a 7mm build too. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Nosler Unprimed Brass 204 Ruger $ 53.82 - $ 208.59 Select options Nosler Unprimed Brass 220 Swift (50) $ 84.99 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem (100) $ 111.28 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem Magnum (250) Unprocessed Rated 5.00 out of 5 $ 215.54 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 223 Rem $ 50.18 - $ 206.83 Select options load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. Because the 7mm RM is a familiar benchmark, lets establish some basic performance numbers in an 8 pound rifle with 24-inch barrel spitting a representative spire point, boat tail, 175-grain hunting bullet, B.C. Which action are you using and what barrel length? Bonus benefits with the 7mm Rem. It does have a dark side, though. And at sensible hunting distances even a basic MPBR hunter should have find more than 90 percent of his shooting opportunities covered by the Rem Mag. rick smith. I have a 28 nosler, and love it, but I wanted the extra 200 FPS from hand . My hunting partner just bought a CA Ridgeline TI in 6.5PRC. Does a great job on Elk or pig. It's no surprise then that the 7mm Weatherby held the title "World's Fastest 7mm" until the 28 Nosler appeared. ADG 300 Norma Magnum Brass. Of course, you can exactly match 7mm ballistics with a .308 bullet if BC and MV are identical. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Thats fast enough to handle most 175-gr. Now lets compare this to our other two 7mm candidates. And heres a top load for the 175-gr. All of the figures from both companies were developed in 24 inch test barrels. Bullet made it in about 3" an blew a big hole in it. To get this Hornady went to its usual bag of tricks: The new, updated Remington M700 standard length action rifles handled the Hornady 7mm PRC 180-gr. And more recoil. If you're only going to be shooting 160's, I think the regular 7 Rem Mag would definitely be a more economical choice. For reasons that I can't explain (though perhaps have something to do with me eating paint chips as a kid), I have an obsession with 3k FPS muzzle velocity. at the muzzle. Following since I want to do the exact same thing. RDF, or Bergers 190-gr. According to SAAMI specs, instrumental velocity of the 7mm PRC is 2,950 fps when driving a 180-grain bullet. performance without stepping up to a full magnum length cartridge and rifle action was Noslers goal. You obviously reload so that may not be an issue. 7 RUM Choose an option 6.5 PRC 6.5 SAUM 7 SAUM 7 REM MAG 7 RUM 28 NOSLER 300 WIN MAG 300 NORMA MAG 300 PRC 300 RUM 30 NOSLER 338 LAPUA 338 RUM 338 EDGE 300 WSM 375 RUM 7 REM MAG BRIGHT 338 RUM BRIGHT 30 NOSLER BRIGHT. Nosler really hampered the performance of that round with the 3.340" COAL length. Almost through fire forming but ran some pressure ladders with fully formed brass with 180 Berger hybrids, H1000 looks like I'll be at a good max at 3000 fps and R26 3050 fps and I good life. Worth considering. Just $1 per month , The old 7mm Rem. Said barrels will also be throated long enough for seating such bullets above the powder reservoir. And most of the recent data for the rum is also on the weak side. I made the same decision not long ago and went 7mm RM, although barrel life was a consideration for me, which it probably wouldn't be on a strictly hunting rig. . Clearly the 28 Nosler is the flat trajectory King here, but at the expense of more recoil, more powder, and a fairly large, standard-length action to fit the .534 rim/head circumference. runs at 2940 fps and the .280 AI runs at 2850 fps). This is Not a New Thing. Rich is a good guy to talk to on the phone we bsd a bit the other day. My conclusion: if you already own any 7mm magnum for hunting, (7mm WSM, 7mm SAUM, 7mm RM, 7mm LRM, 7mm STW, 7mm Wby. with either the Berger 215- or 230-grain Hybrid and push them at maximum pressures. As the .30-06 Springfield has a .473 case head and uses the .470 +/- bolt face, any cartridges list on the above two bolt face diameter and action length database charts above, that also use the .470 +/- bolt face, and have a COAL of 3.34 or shorter, will work with .30-06 actions. 22 Nosler. Qty: Add to cart . As the name suggests, this round is aimed squarely at accurate, long range performance. My thinking was that good ol' 7mm RM. $89.95. Absolutely nothing special or difficult about reloading belted cases. Vintersalg: Opptil 60 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr Some of these new cartridges are appealing, I dont think Ill change however. The 7 SAUM is a short-action, magnum cartridges similar to the 7 WSM. But you pay the price in recoil and that 26-inch barrel. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. New member question. ELD-Match, Noslers 185-gr. #1 Postby Marty Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:38 am. Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. I wish there was more 7SAUM options, I feel there's a gap in the market. ADG 30 Nosler Brass. ADG 300 . make ideal whitetail and mule deer takers with 140-to 160-grain bullets. I set my dies to headspace off the shoulder and forget about the belt. But if you suspect a 26-inch barrel might be a bit unwieldy, waitll you haul around a 28-inch. In the past, running 284 Win (reaching back to Raton, 2013), I would have said that (for me at least) a rechamber would be in order for a straight 284 around the 2000 round mark. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Despite all this powder volume, reloading guides all indicate the 7mm RUM tops out at around 3,150 fps with a 26-inch barrel, slightly slower than the .28 Nosler. and exactly the same claim is made for the 7mm WSM. Muzzle energy means the energy of the bullet at the time of leaving the gun. Id suggest a similar plan. As you might guess, there isnt much trajectory/performance difference between the RUM and the Nosler. Your results may vary. Dies, brass etc are way easier to find for the PRC. The structure of the material reveals the hardness. How does the 280 AI do with 180 grain bullets compared to the 7mm SAUM? Everyone who knows what they're doing headspaces off of the shoulder anyways, and you should not be doing load development with virgin cases, you want to fire form them first so the belt is a moot point. Ballistic twins. Medium slow burning rifle powders are most appropriate for both of these cartridges. We use cookies to make your experience better. Lots of hiking, backpacking, climbing, shooting to 450 yards, maybe 500 yards. But, were I young and tough and starting from scratch, I might be lured into the .28 Nosler. Mag. The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. | Choices have changed since I made the decision to go with a 7 WSM 10-15 years ago. Abonner p vrt nyhetsbrev og bli den frste som fr vite om kuponger og spesielle kampanjer. ammo. Using new brass, like Lapua brass, when reloading allows you complete control over the finished cartridge. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . With RL26 I stuck a case in the chamber @ 3150fps. Running a 7mm like others velocities are really easily to get. 7 saum 7 rem mag 7 ultra mag 28 nosler The 284 and 280 appeal to me for lower cost (components and barrel life), but they are the slowest. Now lets check out the 7mm RUM. The completed case holds 90 grains of water with our 175-grain boattail spire point bullet seated. I am very pleased I am shooting retumbo using adg brass which is excellent brass highly recommend, shooting 165 Gamechanger at 3075, 180 Berger right at 3000. I feel I could easily shoot 180s at the same speed, and the 190s close to it. Abonner p vrt nyhetsbrev og bli den frste som fr vite om kuponger og spesielle kampanjer. ADG 28 Nosler. Mag. include more options in rifles and ammo, more accessible and less expensive ammo, less recoil, a potentially shorter, handier, lighter rifle, and longer barrel life. Bullet size is another one of the other important differences between the 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag. Have a 6.5 PRC and currently building a 7 SAUM. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . We are now conversant in 6mm, 6.5mm, 7.62mm and especially 7mm. 195s topped out @ 2950 w/ N570 using a drop tube to fit powder, that primer pocket was loose after. 8.7 twist 5R and 180 JLKs couldnt consistently make it to 100 past 3Kfps. And thats part of the reason 7mms are so popular. Just to add another fly in the ointment, but another 7mm to consider, is the 7mm Blaser Mag. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. Again, both seen like great options but I want this to be a hunting rig, as I've got a rifle for shooting steel. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr . Mag. ADG 7mm Rem Ultra Mag Brass. If you were to blow the taper out to .010" and add-in a 40-degree shoulder, you would only gain 1.9 grains of case capacity. The lighter, shorter 7mm bullets are preferred in these short case magnums. I have a variety of options on this, as I am planning to do this on a DTA, for which I have both .535 and .585 bolts, and the DTA mags are pretty generous in regard to OAL. 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